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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Dec 5, 2007 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hanukkah 2008: 'My Sisters & Brothers' video

Ashes, Thanks for this. It has the potential to be a very interesting thread; Jerry's religious and philosophical influences.
I've always thought of Jerry as representing Western philosophical tradition and Hunter as representing the Eastern. eg Buddhist philosophy.
I'm probably quite wrong but as a simple minded mystic agnostic, I tend to agree with Robert Anton Wilson's assertion "If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit."

Happy Hannukah to our Jewish friends and forumites. For those of you who are interested and have no idea what this Jewish Holiday means: For those of you who are not interested, Hanukkah is also known as the festival of lights. It is the story of standing up for what you believe in. It reminds us not to remain silent in the face of oppression, and not to surrender our rights and identities.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Dec 5, 2007 6:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hanukkah 2008: 'My Sisters & Brothers' video

Jerrob Hungar: Jerry said that he considered himself "kinda Buddhist," but it was a half-hearted comment. Another example of where language breaks down ....and the music spoke volumes.

Here is a link from a Hunter entry in his journal:

Faith? Well actually I kind of tacitly believe, without spending much time explaining it to myself or others, that as long as I'm doing what I feel talented for and am driven to do, and not acting too selfishly about it, I'm acting appropriately for what I am. Should I put that aside to spend time acquiring faith in something else? Somebody's religion? Somebody's politics? What if I later found out I was wasting the time I should have been spending doing what I feel I'm best cut out to do? I'm certain there's something bigger than my brain and my ego going on. I kind of take that for granted, how could it be otherwise? I'd love to believe I'm working in concert with whatever that is. I hope so. If that's faith, then I have it. If not, show me a sign.

Belief? Without resorting to a dictionary, which reports what a lexicographer believes, I define it as logical interpretation of what I've actually seen or that which, putting two and two together, dependably yields four. Faith, in contradistinction, is confidence in what I have not seen but dearly hope to be the case. It is more rugged than belief since not amenable to logical dissection or disproving, as in the case of Einstein's theory of which he said something like "all the experiments in the world cannot prove relativity right but one could prove it wrong."

One of my favorite quotes was spoken by Albert Einstein: "I want to know God's thoughts...........the rest are details."

A "mystic agnostice,"(?) ...never heard that one before ...and you're surely not "simple-minded."
--- AshesRising

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 5, 2007 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hanukkah 2008: 'My Sisters & Brothers' video

Ha--yeah, I was intrigued by the comment of Jerrob's as well. Have to give it some thought--does it imply that the agnostical neutrality is mystical at the same time? Or that it is somehow cryptic and inscrutable? Or is it contradictory and informative at the same time? Or am I just too dense to get it?

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Dec 5, 2007 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hanukkah 2008: 'My Sisters & Brothers' video

William Tell: You are certainly not "too dense" to get it. As I thought about Jerrob Hungar's comment, I realized how similar it is to a lot Hunter's lyrics ...something so compelling that if forces the reader to dig deeper. Or it could be that he hasn't recovered from the discs you sent him.

For you:
William Tell overture - part 2 (1914)
Performed by: Sodero's Band
Composed by: G. Rossini

Have you ever read, "The Art of War?"
--- AshesRising